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| Rob |
Posted: May 20 2010, 04:49 AM
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I would reckon that any announcement that there is a mosque to be built anywhere where there is a connection to be made to 9/11 is sure to ratchet up the publicity of the proposal and bring it to the fore.
I would reckon that there would be plenty of people wondering why, "of all the places that could have been chosen for this center, why here and why now?" I need to read more to be able to comment in more detail. Maybe later. |
| Sunny |
Posted: May 20 2010, 08:33 AM
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I would think that putting a mosque so close to ground zero would be a little insensitive to those who survived or lost loved ones. I mean, you just wouldn't do it would you?
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| nannham |
Posted: May 20 2010, 02:53 PM
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Here is a current article from BBC on the topic, New York mosque plan stirs up 9/11 memories Wednesday, 19 May 2010 By Matthew Price BBC News, New York The site of a planned Islamic centre is two blocks from the Ground Zero site. It doesn't take long to walk from Ground Zero to the old, crumbling Burlington Coat Factory on Park Place. Two or three minutes at most.
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| Sunny |
Posted: May 20 2010, 03:15 PM
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mmmmm... well now I'm confused. I guess there are two ways of looking at everything and both have many pros and cons.
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| King Llyr |
Posted: May 20 2010, 06:18 PM
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I don't know what the laws and rules are with council in the U.S.A or N.Y but here is Aust a public notice is listed, including direct contact with building owners surrounding the project site, to seek a yes or no for the project, if more this than that the project is stopped by law.
-------------------- Half a bee, philisophically, must ifso facto, half not be.
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| Aussie |
Posted: May 20 2010, 08:43 PM
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Come on. I know this is sensitive, but let's not get precious. Would it be okay if I opened a model aeroplane shop there?
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| King Llyr |
Posted: May 20 2010, 08:47 PM
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Understanding that point Aussie, but wouldn't the allowing of a mosque so close to the site give them the ability to laugh and wave a flag in victory, although this may not be the case at all, there is that concern.
-------------------- Half a bee, philisophically, must ifso facto, half not be.
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| Rob |
Posted: May 21 2010, 08:33 PM
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I am sure it will give some additional ammo to the tea party (aka teabaggers)...I am sure it should not be long before the connection is made between this proposed mosque development and the middle name of the current president of the United States...
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| mohamed |
Posted: May 27 2010, 03:07 AM
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-------------------- "O ye who believe, be steadfast in the cause of Allah, and bear witness in equity and let not a people's enmity toward you incite you to act otherwise than with justice. Be always just, that is closest to righteousness. Be ever mindful of your duty to Allah. Surely, Allah is aware of what you do." (Quran Ch. 5, verse 9).
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| King Llyr |
Posted: May 29 2010, 07:12 PM
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Does this mean that N.Y now has to put up with 25 X 500 watts speakers bellowing out as though the mosque were on top a mountain to the valley below every 2 hours?
-------------------- Half a bee, philisophically, must ifso facto, half not be.
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| Rob |
Posted: May 29 2010, 08:01 PM
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@ King Llyr...
Wouldn't they have to comply with local ordinances related to noise [pollution]. |
| King Llyr |
Posted: May 29 2010, 08:58 PM
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That would be as part of thier religious allowence, I don't think the councils could stop that.
-------------------- Half a bee, philisophically, must ifso facto, half not be.
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| nannham |
Posted: May 31 2010, 10:55 AM
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From what I understand, they are all clear on permits and the councils have approved it, and they intend to go ahead with the mosque, which will take about five years to build. Here I have found an interesting article written by an educated American muslim, who is against the project,
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| King Llyr |
Posted: May 31 2010, 11:45 AM
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So say us all, good on you Mr M. Zuhdi. Jasser.
It is my understanding that when a person or family leave the motherland to find a better place to live, they do it to get away from trouble, away from wars and death and dictatorships, why do they say that they are begining a new life in the new land yet contradict themselves and begin thinking as they did in the motherland, doing what they did in the motherland and wanting to over run everyone they approach????????? -------------------- Half a bee, philisophically, must ifso facto, half not be.
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| mohamed |
Posted: Jul 22 2010, 05:16 PM
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-------------------- "O ye who believe, be steadfast in the cause of Allah, and bear witness in equity and let not a people's enmity toward you incite you to act otherwise than with justice. Be always just, that is closest to righteousness. Be ever mindful of your duty to Allah. Surely, Allah is aware of what you do." (Quran Ch. 5, verse 9).
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| King Llyr |
Posted: Jul 23 2010, 06:52 PM
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In a news report just a few days ago, it was said,
The city will attempt to have the buildings and others like it placed in National heritage, to help make it much harder for a purchase and alterations. -------------------- Half a bee, philisophically, must ifso facto, half not be.
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| mohamed |
Posted: Aug 15 2010, 12:04 AM
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Obama makes clear support for ground zero mosque
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_ground_zero_mosque_obama You can hear his exact words in this video: http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us...entire.cnn.html
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| mohamed |
Posted: Aug 18 2010, 04:31 AM
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Keith Olbermann Special Comment: There Is No 'Ground Zero Mosque' - 08/16/10 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZpT2Muxoo0...layer_embedded#! there are a lot of Americans that support the project but of course those aren't the ones that make the news http://daryllang.com/blog/4421
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| nannham |
Posted: Aug 18 2010, 12:43 PM
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President Obama says it's okay. They own the property and everything is legal. That's good enough for me. Freedom of religion in the United States is the American way. -------------------- Nan
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| mohamed |
Posted: Aug 20 2010, 12:37 AM
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Hi Nan, Its like i am collecting articles on that to get the big picture!
FACT CHECK: Islam already part of WTC neighborhood http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100818/ap_on_...sque_fact_check -------------------- "O ye who believe, be steadfast in the cause of Allah, and bear witness in equity and let not a people's enmity toward you incite you to act otherwise than with justice. Be always just, that is closest to righteousness. Be ever mindful of your duty to Allah. Surely, Allah is aware of what you do." (Quran Ch. 5, verse 9).
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| mohamed |
Posted: Aug 20 2010, 07:57 PM
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-------------------- "O ye who believe, be steadfast in the cause of Allah, and bear witness in equity and let not a people's enmity toward you incite you to act otherwise than with justice. Be always just, that is closest to righteousness. Be ever mindful of your duty to Allah. Surely, Allah is aware of what you do." (Quran Ch. 5, verse 9).
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| mohamed |
Posted: Aug 20 2010, 08:10 PM
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This isn't about Ground Zero - This is about America Written by: Arshad Hasan http://www.democracyforamerica.com/blog_po...s-about-america
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| King Llyr |
Posted: Aug 26 2010, 01:56 AM
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It is reported that there are more than a dozen mosque in the New York area, why on earth is another one needed??????
Sure, freedom of religion as many say, but many would also say it is putting up a flag of victory, as has been said, the germans cannot put up a german flag or swasticker in a jewish area, why should the mosque be allowed? -------------------- Half a bee, philisophically, must ifso facto, half not be.
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| nannham |
Posted: Aug 26 2010, 01:03 PM
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KL, because the laws in the United States aren't the same. We are completely democratic and secular, and one of our freedoms is freedom of religion, any and all religions. The laws at a local level have to do with zoning permits and city ordinances. If an individual or group purchases a property legally, and gets all the zoning permits in order, they are well within the law, and are allowed to build what they want on that property. I have also read lately that muslims have already been using a room in the first floor of that former Burlington Coat Factory store as a makeshift mosque for years. No one has complained, and most people probably never even noticed that muslims have been going into that building to pray for so long. Yes there are many other mosques in New York City, but a place to pray in that particular area would serve the local muslim residents. -------------------- Nan
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| mohamed |
Posted: Aug 26 2010, 07:04 PM
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9/11 Families Applaud President Obama's Support of Religious Freedom
On that day, members of our organization paid the ultimate price. We lost loved ones in the tragic attacks, attacks perpetrated by criminals. Our losses will never be redeemed; our wounds will never fully heal. On 9/11/2001 while many of us buried our loved ones we also took heart in our nation's principles and our rule of law. Ours is a nation that fights for religious freedom. Many of us who call ourselves Americans do so because we came to escape religious persecution in other lands. -------------------- "O ye who believe, be steadfast in the cause of Allah, and bear witness in equity and let not a people's enmity toward you incite you to act otherwise than with justice. Be always just, that is closest to righteousness. Be ever mindful of your duty to Allah. Surely, Allah is aware of what you do." (Quran Ch. 5, verse 9).
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| Aussie |
Posted: Aug 26 2010, 07:22 PM
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Pearl Harbour is teeming with Japanese tourists. I went there in about 1984, and I did the Harbour Tour on a Tourist vessel which covered all the National USA Shrines.
The vast majority on board were Japanese. |
| mohamed |
Posted: Aug 28 2010, 12:04 AM
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-------------------- "O ye who believe, be steadfast in the cause of Allah, and bear witness in equity and let not a people's enmity toward you incite you to act otherwise than with justice. Be always just, that is closest to righteousness. Be ever mindful of your duty to Allah. Surely, Allah is aware of what you do." (Quran Ch. 5, verse 9).
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| Sunny |
Posted: Aug 31 2010, 09:17 AM
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I watched a program the other week and it said that the main purpose of the building is a community centre. Only 10% is intended to be used for religious purposes.
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