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| Aussie |
Posted: Jun 3 2010, 07:58 PM
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| Kiwigran |
Posted: Jun 4 2010, 12:07 PM
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No woman should have to put up with mental and physical abuse, this lady obviously feared for her life, at least she can now sleep in peace at night, what a My daughter put up with this kind of abusive behaviour from her partner, it took her a long time to leave with the children, she always felt it was her fault and she lost all of her self asteem, it's taken a long time but she is finally feeling better about herself again, the funny thing was you would not think butter would have melted in her partners mouth -------------------- "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, martini in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO- HOO what a ride!
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| Kiwigran |
Posted: Jun 4 2010, 12:12 PM
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-------------------- "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, martini in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO- HOO what a ride!
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| MaggieMay |
Posted: Jun 4 2010, 01:23 PM
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The jury heard all the evidence and came to their decision in less than 90 minutes - hardly time to introduce themselves - so it appears none of them had any doubt that the killing was justified.
One report I heard was that her husband told her to choose which kid he should kill. That alone would practically justify murder in my opinion especially if you remember the man who was aquitted of killing his girlfriend because of one taunt about his manhood. I just feel sorry that she felt she had no alternative than to kill the man. She may have been found not guilty but she hasn't gotten away with anything. She has to live with the trauma she went through for twenty odd years as well as the repercussions she and her children will experience for the rest of their lives. -------------------- My idea of housework is to sweep a glance over the floor.
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| mohamed |
Posted: Jun 4 2010, 04:32 PM
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I am happy for her but I believe that this comment is wise and correct.
Does laws allow to plan killing if justified! Wasnt easy for her to leave him? Havent media to remind us of other events related? http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/story...ng-body-forest/ http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/story...n-back-custody/ -------------------- "O ye who believe, be steadfast in the cause of Allah, and bear witness in equity and let not a people's enmity toward you incite you to act otherwise than with justice. Be always just, that is closest to righteousness. Be ever mindful of your duty to Allah. Surely, Allah is aware of what you do." (Quran Ch. 5, verse 9).
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| King Llyr |
Posted: Jun 4 2010, 08:13 PM
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I don't think so Mohamed, the court system in a case like this has taken some time to gather as much evidence as possible and with the evidence gave a ruling on compassionate grounds, but another judge would see it totally the other way and have her sentenced to 10, 20, 50 yrs, all depends on the judge on the day and how he/she feels. -------------------- Half a bee, philisophically, must ifso facto, half not be.
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| MaggieMay |
Posted: Jun 4 2010, 09:10 PM
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It was the jury who found her not guilty, not the judge. If the jury had found her guilty the judge would have had to give her the appropriate sentence.
-------------------- My idea of housework is to sweep a glance over the floor.
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| dadssk |
Posted: Jun 4 2010, 09:34 PM
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Killed man's family 'disgusted with legal system'
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| King Llyr |
Posted: Jun 4 2010, 09:49 PM
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MM,
is it not so that it is the judge that applies time according to the evidence and the situation that caused the crime? If there was no evidence of abuse the judge would have said 25yrs see ya later, that 25yrs would be there automatically and then reduced with each piece of evidence given. I have seen where a judge awarded 250yrs on one killing, her words were "You ask and you will recieve" then there was the silly case not long ago where the judge in a rape case said "No means yes" and the rapist went free. The jury may well say guilty or not guily but it is upto the judge as to what is applied. -------------------- Half a bee, philisophically, must ifso facto, half not be.
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| Kiwigran |
Posted: Jun 5 2010, 05:08 PM
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-------------------- "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, martini in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO- HOO what a ride!
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| Gwynne |
Posted: Jun 5 2010, 06:34 PM
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It sounds like a classic abusive relationship. It's sad that it went on for so long, and that she was so desperate that she was pushed to kill him.
I feel so sorry for the children, and the rest of the family, as well as for her - the emotional scars will take a long time to fade, if ever. It's a pity we can't handle these situations better, have some way to help people who are trapped in those relationships, and people who have developed that pattern of behaviour too. One day maybe we'll have some way to deal with this better. I can't imagine how terrified and desperate you'd have to be to make a plan to kill someone, especially someone who'd fathered your children. |
| Aussie |
Posted: Jun 5 2010, 06:47 PM
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I like this:
That Bloke should have been prosecuting the case against her. |
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| Rob |
Posted: Jun 5 2010, 08:32 PM
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Certainly was not a "spur of the moment" murder, was it?
However, it would seem that the defense did a good job and the prosecutors a less than optimal one. So, did the case turn on BWS (battered woman syndrome)? |
| Aussie |
Posted: Jun 5 2010, 08:44 PM
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From what I can gather, no. The defence ran two platforms. Self defence, and defence of the kids......and, dead men tell no tales.
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| Gwynne |
Posted: Jun 6 2010, 02:42 PM
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This guy was violent and very abusive. In that situation there are often the usual threats - if you leave you won't get the kids... if you leave I'll kill you and the kids... kill your family...
And he'd killed any number of pets, and enjoyed doing it. He'd been violent towards her. It's not a long step to being convinced he'd kill her. Laws are framed by men, based on male abilities. A man can kill with one hit, then later say he was provoked, he had a momentary rush of temper, didn't know what he was doing, it was an accident (they use all those defences and more, very successfully). A woman can't do that, so she needs to plan. And that, under the law, is seen as far more serious than acting in a vicious rage - or, at least, claiming that he was. She was desperate. She'd put up with years of his abuse, she saw herself as having no way out but one. That's sad, and it's a pity she couldn't find another way out, but we don't have the safety and support services for trapped women yet. Taking another life is a terrible step, she'd have to have been truly desperate to do it. |
| Sunny |
Posted: Jun 6 2010, 03:31 PM
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If anyone ever laid a hand on one of my girls I'd get my husband to go round there and bitch slap him alright. Then I'd get out my rolling pin..... families have to stick together and protect each other from outsiders who come into the family.
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| Aussie |
Posted: Jun 6 2010, 03:52 PM
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Gwynne, this was a planned execution, performed in cold blood. What's with the teary plea to the Community to come forward with information about his welfare, made on TV after she had put two bullets into his head, and then hid the body?
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| King Llyr |
Posted: Jun 6 2010, 09:28 PM
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No comment on the grounds it may stupify me.
-------------------- Half a bee, philisophically, must ifso facto, half not be.
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| Gwynne |
Posted: Jun 7 2010, 04:53 PM
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A that point I'm sure she was desperate and just hoping it'd all go away. But I still think the reasons are important, and the judge obviously did too. If you were a prisoner in a foreign country, held captive, tortured and threatened, you'd do anything to escape. This woman had been abused to the point that she felt the same way. |
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| Aussie |
Posted: Jun 7 2010, 07:20 PM
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Sure, the reasons are important, no more than the conspiring circumstances leading up to the kill. What did the Judge say?
This killing female was never held prisoner in a foreign country ete etc etc. She lived here on the Sunshine Coast where there were friends and family. How come she did not stick to a plan to do all he could to garner all the assistance and protection all those people could offer, as well as Police protection? Nah, Gwynne, this woman is a premeditated, cold blooded, cool, self controlled killer and I want her nowhere near where I live. Anyone who can plan and then execute a step by step process like that to kill, and then, at crunch time, actually put two bullets at point blank range into the head of another human being ought not be walking around free, unpunished. Think of that moment, Gwynne. There the Beast is.....sedated, helpless. She has the gun. Just what is going on in her mind? Is there doubt, confusion, fear, what? I'll tell you. It was, "Die you Bastard. I drugged you so you would be helpless, now, I execute you." At that moment, she had a clear choice. Proceed with the plan to kill, or grab the kids while the Beast was helpless, and disappear. She chose to be a killer, and then, in calculated cold blood, deliciously pulled the trigger of that gun.....twice. Nah, the verdict is wrong. What she did was wrong, and she should be in jail with all the other killers. While I understand your point Gwynne..... .........I do not accept, and never will that this woman ought be free, or her actions accepted, condoned or justified by Society. |
| King Llyr |
Posted: Jun 7 2010, 08:56 PM
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Aussie, but there is also that bridge that we have not stood before, yes, agreed, all was thought of and then carried out, though I do believe that if/when a person is in such a life struggle the brain twiches, snaps away from being the broken and beaten to on the defence to never let it happen again, "Had enough" syndrome if you like, no I amnot one who understand why a person would kill, but I am sure this would not be the first nor the last, as we have seen or heard of many times before, the system does not always work, regardless of how many times a person is reported for abuse either on a partner or a child, on many occasion we have heard in the news of someone being killed from being beaten up. -------------------- Half a bee, philisophically, must ifso facto, half not be.
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| Aussie |
Posted: Jun 7 2010, 09:48 PM
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There was no 'brain twitch,' other than a coldy, and carefully calculated decision made months before the execution.
I concede the deceased was The Beast. But the Wife is an unpunished killer. Let's look at it this another way. She reckons The Beast had been threatening her LIfe and that of the Kids for quite a long time. Which of them is now the dead dude? Which of them did not kill? Your answer will be that she got in first. My answer to that is that instead of plannning, as she did for many months, how she would execute him, she was required, by my standards, to spend that time effectively removing herself and the Kids from The Beast. That done, no-one dies, and those Kids still have a Father, even if he was The Beast. |
| King Llyr |
Posted: Jun 7 2010, 09:56 PM
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Not ignoring what you are saying Aussie,
not defending her actions, only that it has happened and will again under the same conditions and the punishment if any is given by the judge who would no doubt use the book. -------------------- Half a bee, philisophically, must ifso facto, half not be.
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| Aussie |
Posted: Jun 7 2010, 10:17 PM
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This decision was not that of a Judge. A Jury is responsible. Juries can get it wrong when strong emotion is involved. The Law is left behind when it boils down to the best Drama Queen Lawyer addresing a Jury. I have the view that an over worked Crown Prosecutor ran doggo. Either that, or he is incompetent. If I had prosecuted that woman, she would be behind bars tonight because there were questions (along the lines of what I have posted here) she could never have answered convincingly. |
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| King Llyr |
Posted: Jun 7 2010, 10:22 PM
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Agreed, -------------------- Half a bee, philisophically, must ifso facto, half not be.
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