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> One God or many?
King Llyr
Posted: Jul 20 2010, 03:15 PM
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QUOTE (AussieNan @ Jul 20 2010, 03:10 PM)
Well said King Lllyr.

One must not forget,
this is not "Pick on Mohamed day"
but unfortunately with each subject raised where Mohamed adds, it always ends up about the Quran, whuch is not what we ask for really, but that is his way and so the saga continues.


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Posted: Jul 21 2010, 09:06 AM
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He's entitled to his opinion I have a few Muslim friends but he comes across as a bit preachy sometimes..my Muslim friends don't talk like that.


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Posted: Jul 21 2010, 07:36 PM
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QUOTE (AussieNan @ Jul 21 2010, 09:06 AM)
He's entitled to his opinion I have a few Muslim friends but he comes across as a bit preachy sometimes..my Muslim friends don't talk like that.

Yes he does, but that is his way of life,
as they are taught, every answer in in the Quran which is why he quotes so often from it.


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Posted: Jul 22 2010, 02:06 AM
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To prove you that i am not the only Muslim plz click on http://islamweb20.posterous.com/ramadan-qu...ontest-20101431

I advise you if interrested to know about Islam and Muslims; Dont get it from news but from its source Qur'an and Sunnah

The life of the Prophet (Peace and Blessings of Allah be upon Him) has been said by his wife, Aisha (May Allah (S) be pleased with her) to be like "a walking Qur`an", embodying the Laws of Almighty Allah; this why he should be our model knowing well that he is just a human and we believe in all the other men sent as prophets like Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus ... (peace be upon them all. If i have good memory, only 25 were mentioned in Qur'an )

I can not resist quoting for you

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The Prophet (S) as an ideal man and in the light of his speech (Hadith) and action (Sunnah) provided a perfect example for humankind in every area of human  endeavour.  His teachings have been documented in detail and serves as a moral quality which has been adopted as a way of life which must be put into practice as a salvation for humankind.

http://www.mohammad-pbuh.com/3/bestofcreation.htm



Particularly that is Ramadan coming biggrin.gif I ask Allaah - the Beneficent Provider, the One who has Power to do what He wills - to distance me from that which He dislikes and to use me in that which He is pleased with, from memorising, understanding the Qur'aan and establishing that which it necessitates - throughout the day and night - in a manner that He loves and likes for indeed He is the Most Beneficent, and Bestower.


KL, I direct you to this page to read about The Preservation of the Qur'aan

http://www.islaam.com/Article.aspx?id=38

and i gave you before an other link.

As i explained before The Quran was committed to writing during the lifetime of the Messenger but not put into a book form until after the Messenger was taken away by Allah.

Wich is logical since it was revealed over a period of 23 years!!

What you may ignore also my friends its that The Qur'an was memorised by Many of the companions.

And its still memorised until today. It is so easy to be memorised that you can find a child of 7 years memorising it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsj9GPd5YTg

Time of prayer here, i will inshallah find more for you with translation still i ask you to listen to it ...




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Posted: Jul 22 2010, 03:59 PM
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Mohammed, did you write all of that ^^^^ Post? Are they all your own words?
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Posted: Jul 22 2010, 06:28 PM
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QUOTE (Aussie @ Jul 22 2010, 03:59 PM)
Mohammed, did you write all of that ^^^^ Post? Are they all your own words?

I'll answer my own question, as it seems I have to because you have been here, and ignored it.

No, you did not write it all. You are posting the original work of others, and you are not giving credit.

Naughty.

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Posted: Jul 22 2010, 07:30 PM
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Mohammed writes;
What you may ignore also my friends its that The Qur'an was memorised by Many of the companions.

And its still memorised until today. It is so easy to be memorised that you can find a child of 7 years memorising it:

Mohamed, it is written that the original words/works of the Quran are no longer, they were tossed out by the 3rd Caliph, many years after Muhammad died.

Question;
Please answer with your own words, not quotes or memory from the Quran.

Q): Do muslim people believe the words of the 10 Commandments?


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mohamed
Posted: Jul 23 2010, 04:16 AM
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I didnt ignore it Aussie but i think it is more interresting you think about what i posted.

What happen? It is just because being busy i connect the morning for just few minutes on fbd, then check emails, have a look on an other forum i belong too and of course on AW the less active forum i know but inshaallah not for a long time ...

Most of time it is in the afternoon, that i post or and reply to my emails.

Aussie when you say "bonjour" or "merci" they are in reality not your own words but you do express your feeling , your reaction , your thought throught them.

People will not ask if you mean really it? They take its meaning even if you spell it badly.

That is about me i may often use even a sentence or a paragraph

Certainly you will laugh if you hear me on ham radio because my writing is well better than my talking of english.

Aussie, i never hide that my level is bad in English, French or even in arabic That is why dictionaries are for.

A Canadian told me that on a scale of 10 i take 5. Myself i dont agree. may be 2!

With technology today, i do use sometimes google to translate from Japanese and in futur to this it Why not .

"Hej" it is Swedish biggrin.gif

Sorry KL, i need to quote and post links because i am trying to convey a message and people better than me in English have wrote about your question

http://www.submission.org/quran/ten.html

The question should be does Christians and Muslims fellow them EXACTELY?

Btw please read carefully the links i gave and may be others you can find yourself : Qur'an is preserved

Regards

In my my own words , Mohamed


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Posted: Jul 23 2010, 06:23 PM
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You did not write this, for example. You copied it.

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The life of the Prophet (Peace and Blessings of Allah be upon Him) has been said by his wife, Aisha (May Allah (S) be pleased with her) to be like "a walking Qur`an", embodying the Laws of Almighty Allah; this why he should be our model knowing well that he is just a human and we believe in all the other men sent as prophets like Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus ... (peace be upon them all. If i have good memory, only 25 were mentioned in Qur'an )


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Posted: Jul 23 2010, 06:49 PM
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Mohamed;
Your personal words and thoughts on a subject are far more valuable and appreciated than those quoted from a book, verse, bible or quran,
when you do that they are the words of someone else, they are not your personal opinions or feeling on the subject, when you memorize paragraphs and verses from 20 yrs ago, they are not your thoughts.

Do muslim people believe in the 10 commandments?

If you want, you can respond for each of the 10 comandments
but a simple yes or no is good enough at the moment.


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Posted: Jul 24 2010, 12:15 AM
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Aussie, i repeat
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That is about me i may often use even a sentence or a paragraph


Better you focus on what i am trying to convey.


When KL said
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but that is his way of life,
as they are taught, every answer in in the Quran which is why he quotes so often from it.


My thought ( in arabic words because my english is poor ) are that The Qur'an is our guidance and that Muhammed (peace be upon him) is our model.

The Arabic expression

الرسول محمد _ صلى الله عليه وسلم _ كان قرآناً يمشي

is well known and i needed to convey it to you the best way :

"a walking Qur`an"

"The life of the Prophet (Peace and Blessings of Allah be upon Him) has been said by his wife, Aisha (May Allah (S) be pleased with her) to be like "a walking Qur`an", embodying the Laws of Almighty Allah; this why he should be our model knowing well that he is just a human and we believe in all the other men sent as prophets like Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus ... (peace be upon them all. If i have good memory, only 25 were mentioned in Qur'an ) "

Those words
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I ask Allaah - the Beneficent Provider, the One who has Power to do what He wills - to distance me from that which He dislikes and to use me in that which He is pleased with, from memorising, understanding the Qur'aan and establishing that which it necessitates - throughout the day and night - in a manner that He loves and likes for indeed He is the Most Beneficent, and Bestower.


are not also my own own words but they are my wish, my hope and my real supplication ...

KL, obviously YES despite that the Ten Commandments are not explicitly mentioned in the Qur'an they are substantially similar to some verses ( The link i gave before).

Would anyone explain me this English sentence" Thou shall not take any god except one God."

Think about it.

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The concept of Oneness of God was stressed by Moses (pbuh) in the Biblical passage Known as the "Shema," or the Jewish creed of faith:

"Hear, O Israel The Lord our God is one Lord"

Deuteronomy 6:4

It was repeated word-for-word approximately 1500 years later by Jesus (pbuh) when he said

"...The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; the Lord our God is one Lord."

Mark 12:29

Muhammad (pbuh) came along approximately 600 years later, bringing the same message again:

"And your God is One God: there is no god but He"

JESUS(Peace Be Upon Him) BROUGHT THE SAME MESSAGE AS EVERY OTHER MESSENGER DID!!! THEY ALL CALLED FOR THE ONENESS OF GOD!!! ISLAM IS THE RELIGION OF ALL THE PROPHETS (ADAM,NOAH,ABRAHAM,MOSES,DAVID,JESUS...), ISLAM IS THE ONLY TRUE AND COMPLETE RELIGION.

For clarification, let me mention that Muslims do believe in the Holy Torah & Bible BUT ONLY, I repeat ONLY in the original FORM as it was revealed to the prophets. Today's Torah & Bible are not in the original form, they have been edited and re-written by men

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfRkgukXyE4


This is the message i am trying to convey in not my own words.


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Posted: Jul 24 2010, 12:47 AM
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Thank you Mohamed, your personal words are much more valuable that those you more often place in quotes, your words are respected because that shows us to some degree who you are.

What we see of your part of the world, including what we learn from history is this,
many many parts of your land are shown to be desert sand, almost baron, an endless landscape of sand, this is taught to us in history, which tells us nothing has changed in 5 millenia.
History tells us of high dictatorships in the land, the people (servents/slaves) were seen to treat their dictator leaders as gods because they had no choise and we still see that today.

I made suggestion once before to you, think of the "What if" factor,
Do you beleive that what you read in the Quran is absolute fact?
Do you think, perhaps the original Quran words were actually of real peace, being the words through Gabriel from Allah/God, to Muhammad, that what he was taught was real peace, then, when the 3rd Caliph stood tall above all others as a dictator, he removed the original Quran and rewrote it to suit his wants.

We see in Afganistan so much harm placed on women, they have to cover fully, head to toe, to not reveal any part of her body but her hands, that her children do not get to see her face, that she rides in the boot/trunk of a car because she is seen as unfit to be seated on the inside of the car, that there is no medical assistance for her, making it a high death rate of women because of all these acts against women.

Why is it that each state within your land of mainland Africa there are so many different views of how to be a Muslim, the Turkish have a high rate of Muslim people, but they do not live the same life as you do, they drink alcohol, they eat pork, and they explain that they do these things because everyone has a different "Interpritation" of the Quran and it's words.

Remember, your words are respected more than those you quote.


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Posted: Jul 24 2010, 01:15 AM
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when you posted your last post i didnt finish my posting because i often post by part I often edit it plz read it again.

KL, my friend Qur'an is words of Allah and its preserved. Once again plz plz plz if you want to learn about islam learn it from Qur'an and Sunnah.

Drinking alcohol is a great sin; As i explained before even holding a bottle is forbiden.


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Posted: Jul 24 2010, 09:06 AM
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Mohamed;
Today in almost every culture, what we once spoke in the original way has been changed to what is called "Politicaly Correct"

this is another way it is written,

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["Do not make an image or any likeness of what is in the heaven above"



or

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"I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; you shall have no other gods before me.



or

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"I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; you shall have no other gods before me. 



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